Speaking of Influx

From: josh.********@********.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:34 AM

lewis,

we've been doing some thinking, and we've decided that we want to spam your email box. basically what the whole thing came down to was that we just don't really like you at all. and when you don't like somebody, you do mean things like spam their email box. so be prepared. be prepared for a constant influx of brilliant quotes, ideas, and insults from the 9 to 5 crew. speaking of influx....

do you think that a flux capacitor would ever work? maybe doctor emett brown was on to something with the flux capacitor. i mean, it looks pretty legit....the way the three corners of the triangle fire little electric bolts to the center....iw ould imagine that's what time travel is really like.


From: paul*******@********.com (Contributor to The Josh & Lewis Blog)
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 7:42 AM

Flux capacitors? Why not just know in your mind that you’re living in the 80’s and you would be. There was this chic who went to the university of *********** who definitely thought she was in the eighties, walking around in eighties gear every day. It’s kinda like waking up every day, thinking positive thoughts, and willing yourself a good day, although more along the lines of “knowing” you can control your heartbeat, or “knowing” you’re traveling in time, living in the eighties.


From: paul*******@********.com (Contributor to The Josh & Lewis Blog)
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 7:59 AM

Ya see Josh, The problem is the actions and re-actions of everyone else around you. Everyone is collectively making up the quantum universe, and it’s not just about you. You decide how you will perceive your part, but because I’m thinking that this computer exists, it’s harder for you to believe that it doesn’t. The fact of the matter is, we’re all here interacting with each other, and because of that, we’re all creating this closed minded focus on what reality truly is. Obviously. And the universe is a dream. But one that is constructed in a way that we all contribute to it’s existence.

If you want to decide if the eighties really existed, we need to debate the reality of memory. Because deciding if it actually happened or not brings into question the reality of thoughts, the mind, and perhaps even a connection between the mental and the physical.

Moreover, the fact that the eighties were a decade full of bad clothing choice…is still a reality.


From: josh.********@********.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:34 AM

yes but how do i know that you think that computer exists. what if what you just told me about that was simply a figment of my imagination? how do i really know that you have a soul or anyone else have a soul for that matter? all i know is that i have a being, that perceives and thinks. i don't know if you confessing that you think your computer exists is really just something i imagined. perhaps you are just a little human being figure in my dream...and you telling me that you have a soul is just a part of my dream. there's no way that i could believe you because my soul is the only soul im aware of that exists. that is, if i were not a spiritual person. but i am a spiritual person, and so i don't really believe all of what i said above....but a lot of people do. like lewis for example. but it is a legitimate argument for people who don't believe in God or heaven. it's a direct correlation with the argument that you can change the environment around you by saying "im going to have a good day". if you really believe you can do that, then its plausible that you could change pretty much anything around you just by believing it. Therefore, nothing really exists and it's all a figure of your imagination. but thats a pretty sad concept.

the eighties were full of huge bangs, neon clothes, slip-on shoes, and synthesized drum beats. cutting crew and culture club were the best bands ever. boy george was a stud. there's nothing debatable about that


From: lewis.********@********.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:08 AM

As long as you don't sign me up for real spam. Fine.
Paul, I'm intrigued by your thoughts about how if I believe something it makes it harder for you not to believe in it. Josh, I still haven't had time to really think about the last conversation we had in your living room about the Snorkblats ect. Preliminary Analysis: I don't actually feel like a god. I don't feel like I'm capable of containing all of the details of my existance all in my own mind. Apparently I'm capable of containing the details to keep it running though...unless I don't actually do that on my own either.

Have any of you read the Ender's Game series. I'm guessing not since you guys aren't as nerdularly awesome as I. But in the fourth book, they find how to travel faster than light by "stepping outside the universe" and just deciding where to come back in. They just went into a sort of ether-land, another dimension that was in contact with every part of our four dimensions here. The only thing was that they had to hold their own "existance" in their minds or they would stop existing. They used a computer entity since they couldn't do that. Can you hold your "existance" like that? Does God hold your "existance" all the time? and if He stopped would you cease to exist?

So I think you guys are real. I'm just not absolutely convinced.

With Love,
Lewis.


From: Michael.*******@********.com (Contributor to The Josh & Lewis Blog)
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:35 AM

Lewis

I just don't see how we could travel to a place or time that doesn't exist?? But who's to say that tomorrow or next week our lives are already playing out, or we are living our lives out RIGHT now tomorrow, we just haven't gotten to that period in TIME that we are right now.

I just don't see science, man, machine ever creating such a device that would transmit us into another dimension or time. I believe in black holes, and think there really frickin sweet. But how can we travel to a place in time that doesn't exist?

BTW forward this to Lewis ... his email is being ghey and mine is not accepting his email.. my email service is STRAIGHT and his is GAY


From: lewis.********@********.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 12:00 PM

The past and future are real. And time work like the other dimension. If you set a time bomb for 5min. It will have and effect on 5min from now. Just like if you kick a ball it will have and effect 5 feet from here. We are constantly effected by the bombs and balls from the real past. This brings up the question of predestination. We can have real future and still be free to choose it. Just because you haven't decided something yet doesn't mean you won't decide it, freely. You can't stop this process unless you know the future, at which point you still aren't destined to follow it. It is a real dimension.

XOXOXO


From: Michael.*******@********.com (Contributor to The Josh & Lewis Blog)
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 12:15 PM

I see your point on the bomb, however We are not living in the future when you set a bomb to explode in five minutes. The bomb is..

No but seriously, yes your setting the detonator for five minutes in the future, but oh i don't know what i was going to say, ur smarter than me


From: josh.********@********.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 12:29 PM

have you never seen back to the future? time exists as a space time continuum....it is a long band of existence. no matter what point you're at....if you go far into space and come back, you're younger than everyone else. it's like when they did that experiment by sending that spaceship around the world and it came back and its clock was 1 second behind the earths time. einstein discovered that. time is relative. it exists only at wherever you exist....and it only exists to who is perceiving it.

below is an excerpt from paul
You can have a good day by believing that you will because it changes your outlook on the experiences you have. It really doesn't have anything to do with changing the environment around you, but how you yourself perceive it.

paul, if you perceive it, you perceive it through your mind. therefore you should be able to change anything by perceiving anything you want to.
if i
wanted to fly all i would have to do is perceive myself flying. but it doesn't happen.

lastly, i am a samurai-guru-whatever lewis said

i also like michaels point about the forest animals and i don't want lewis to send me any more smooches


From: paul*******@********.com (Contributor to The Josh & Lewis Blog)
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 12:47 AM

Josh, first of all, you're quoting a movie...

But I like what you said

" time is relative. it exists only at wherever you exist"

This is true because you're not existing "where time is," you're existing "where You are." Thus, we can't go back into time because we're not where time is, we're where we are. Because of this, if we wanted to time travel, we would just have to move time, because it exists where we are, and we are here, in the current. This is supported by the experiment where they flew around the world and the clock was behind.
They were in the current with everyone else here, but the time was different.

I feel that because we are where we exist, we could most definitely time travel, but it'd just be the time that would be traveling, not us, therefore things wouldn't go in reverse, past events wouldn't be relived...Just the "time" would be relived. We'd be living in the eighties, but the eighties would "come to us." And it'd just be time changing, not everything else.


From: josh.********@********.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 12:58 PM

exactly. you cant build a machine to go to another time. but think of time as a huge grid that moves. and you're just chillin' on it. time machines are unrealistic, but it is possible to be in a different time in relation to where you once were.

time is relative. you only think of time the way you do because this is all youve ever known your mind has never been exposed to anything else.
relativity in terms of time is too difficult for most of us to grasp....maybe we can understand the idea, but how it works is really only truly explained through mathematics.


From: paul*******@********.com (Contributor to The Josh & Lewis Blog)
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 1:15 PM

So how do we get away from believing what we believe because that's what we believe??? And how do we know when we're wrong?


From: josh.********@********.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 1:25 PM

you have to constantly doubt everything....thats known as Pyrrhonian Skepticism. We don't know anything really...well we grasp some concepts in a relative fashion...only in relation to our existence. but has anyone determined what gravity really is? i mean, in relation
to what we believe, it is a force. but what is a force? you can explain force in terms of what it does, but really what is it. take for example, the movie anger management. jack nicholson asks adam sandler "who are you?" and adam describes what he does for a living, what he likes, what he dislikes, etc.Jack is like "no, i want to know WHO you are" we classify everything we know by how it affects us...directly or indirectly. just like i pull my knowledge from classic movies. don't make me use half-baked as a reference.



From: lewis.********@********.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 1:30 PM

what else are you besides the things you do? Your composition. . . perhaps but your components in turn can only be described in terms of what they do.
As for non physical things, they are only what they do. Like momentum. .
.it carries enertia. Thats it. WHO are you? what does that even mean.
everything is what it does. physical things get a composition only
because it is easier for us to classify them that way. ultimately everything is only what it "does".

(Anger Management= classic movie?!?)

As far as your Pyrrhonian Skepticism, you cannot claim that knowledge in unattainable because that itself is knowledge.

So do you accept your epistemic limitations in the assumption that your ultimate skepticism it right and any true knowledge unknowable. Or do you constantly fight against it in an attempt to prove anything at all.

does absolute proof even matter? we can live pretty well off of generalizations.

Josh you said your self that you can sense another being (i.e. you are not the only entity and thus God.). So you clearly aren't a complete Pyrrhonian Skeptic.


From: Michael.*******@********.com (Contributor to The Josh & Lewis Blog)
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 2:15 PM


Hey u guys make me want to lala

I'm an alley cat, DRINK UP MY MILK B*TCH!